21 Everywhere Internet

Insightful article. When will somebody come up with a better name than the generic web2.0, web3.0 naming scheme?

Everywhere Internet?

Web On Marketing?

There must be something better out there!

posted at 12:05 pm on January 17, 2006 by tim bowen

22 Web 1.0 = Web 2.0+

Web 3.0…….SWEET!

Maybe we can find some other technologies that have existed for years, use it, and give it a name! We’ll make millions!

It’s all about how to solve problems and how you look at things. Google didn’t invent search, they just said, hey …. let’s do something with this. People tend to look at the technology and not at the overall big picture of WHAT IS THE POINT?

I’m learning that people who use this stuff really don’t care how it is created. If it makes life easier, looks good, and adds productivity then 2 thumbs up to the creator(s). Just cause a blog can fade in and out doesn’t mean you going to get VC funding. ( If you do, well…..how the hell?…oh yeah…YOU USING AJAX, DUH! )

Design and usability is a science. WE should be the ones concerned with HOW something is built because we want to make sure the USER EXPERIENCE is what rulez.

Here’s some food for thought:
How about VCs (and some do this) actually look at companies who have a useful business model surrounding that cool look and feel. There are other industries who could benefit from this new technology ;) So what experiences are there that can be created or improved upon; aside from podcasting and photos?

posted at 12:14 pm on January 17, 2006 by Rahsun McAfee

23 The long road before Web 2.0

It’s incredible – fancy javascript gets tauted as the next revolutionary web doohickey to solve everybody’s problems.

Zeldman is spot on with this article. Issues abound today that deserve a lot more coveage than AJAX or anything like it – things like accessibility, usability and of course the crucial aspects of CSS and XHTML. They are the topics that champions of hype should concern themselves with.

AJAX is a great thing but it’s a progression, not a revolution. Web 1, 2 whatever. It’s the web. Let’s focus on what we have and make it work rather than looking to the future without properly developing what we have in the present.

posted at 12:15 pm on January 17, 2006 by Loughlin McSweeney

24 Spinning the web is out of control

How quickly we forget the tech wreck when the VC’s push the next best thing.

Is there anything truely new with 2.0 or is it just easier for more people to do the same old thing?

posted at 12:16 pm on January 17, 2006 by Chris Young

25 Untitled

I never belive anyone who talk about web 2.0 (and now Web 3.0) It is all marketing bullshit to me… Most who talk about-it… only talk about-it and never really work with their idea.

I dont’t consider the web as something with version number like a comercial software. It is somethng in constent changes you simply cannot put a version number on it.

posted at 12:30 pm on January 17, 2006 by Mathieu Bordeleu

26 Design Smart, not Cool

I’m going with Jeffrey on this one. Design of new applications has to be smart, not cool. Like he mentioned, I’m constantly finding things in Flickr that are extremely old, yet were never really brought to light. By using small icons and such you can effectively suggest that, “Hey, something can be done here!”

I know for one thing I’m tired of hearing all of these buzzwords being thrown around by people who have basically no idea what they even mean. I think the jerk from the presentation he talked about is a perfect example of “that guy”

posted at 12:31 pm on January 17, 2006 by Kevin S.

27 More hyperenthutsiast news

I hope I’m not off-topic but this reminds me of Bruce Eckel’s recent article on ‘The Departure of the Hyperenthusiasts.’ He’s talking about Java but in many ways it seems that his point is similar to Jeffrey’s. There is just so much hype around that it’s hard not to be seduced into one distraction after another. Perhaps some of them will be worthwhile. But as the hype level gets higher and higher you have to wonder. In either case it’s good so see someone arguing for a little skepticism while we get our work done.

posted at 12:33 pm on January 17, 2006 by Ken Januski

28 W3.0? Let's talk ALA 4.0 downgrade?

People who speak because they like the sound of their own voice, don’t like listening to people who speak because they like to hear the sound of their own voice.

Zeldman was my hero. I attended conference after conference and listened to his standards and accessibility hype for years. It was great and extremely important. It also spawned a bunch of crusading sycophants, who were unthinking immitators.

I lost religion after ALA got a functional downgrade with the latest redesign, which prioritizes a huge logo and a column of white-space over immediate access to related articles. Is this web 3.0 that Zelman envisions? more clicks, more scrolls, more page reloads, pretty, pretty logo.

Why not just ignore the hype and choose not characterize a whole approach by the least intelligent of it’s followers.

Keep it simple.

1. Web sites can be made much better for the user with the principle known as AJAX.

1. Be sane about your useage of AJAX

posted at 12:41 pm on January 17, 2006 by Dale Chapman

29 Three things to remember.

1. Content is still King.
2. Usability is the King’s mouthpiece.
3. Simplicity is the King’s abettor.

posted at 12:53 pm on January 17, 2006 by John Lewis

30 Well, I guess it had to be said. Unfortunatley.

While I tend to agree with many of the points made here (especially the bit about Ajax being a bitch to wireframe, ain’t that the truth) I can’t help but feel a bit frustrated that:

A) It has to be said at all.
B) It takes someone like Zeldman to get this stuff to sink in.
C) In a way it’s just more spin.

Web 2.0, Web 3.0, etc. It’s not the numbers that matter. It’s all “Web” and this stuff should be about people not technology. A successful Web application can be built with Ajax, or not. It can rock on Ruby on Rails or be a bit slower on PHP and be a great app either way.

Ultimately I feel this kind of hype doesn’t matter much at all and it’s kind of crazy there is so much time, effort and brain power spent debating about it. But, hey, it was a fun read.

posted at 01:02 pm on January 17, 2006 by D. Keith Robinson

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