A LIST Apart: For People Who Make Websites

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Discuss: Valentine’s Day Massacre

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1 IE we love to hate you

I would say IE, but that’ s not right, if it weren’ t for IE coding would be so simple that everybody could do it and we all would have a lot less work. Think about it. What we got here is a pure love/hate relation.

posted at 06:06 am on February 14, 2006 by bart haedens

2 Flash with sound

I really dislike flash website with sound. As I listen music most of the time while I’m seing websites, I hate flash animation with sound. Sometimes there is a button to turn off the sound and it’s OK, but when there is no way to stop the music, I quit the website. Oh, of course this is the same for flash ads with sound !

posted at 06:27 am on February 14, 2006 by Christophe BENOIT

3 Black hearts!

All you need is to hate:

- MSN search that indexes pages absolutely unlogicaly. – Page registrations, that asks your street address and keeps your number of credit card for later use. – SEO companies that fools clients. – Graphic web designers who think that html coders are stupid slaves. – W3C banners on non-valid pages. – W3C banners. – Smileys. – CSS hacks. – Comments before DOCTYPE. – Padding.

posted at 06:45 am on February 14, 2006 by Rytis Alekna

4 Pet hates

There are three which really get my goat…

1. Graphic designers who suddenly decide they are ‘web designers’, and create a “website” which is nothing but a stack of .jpgs with no actual content whatsoever. Accessibility? Who cares? It looks pretty….

2. People who insist that tables are the answer to everything, and absolutely refuse to use CSS (or DTDs) because they ‘can’t centre things like you can with tables’ (read ‘can’t be bothered finding out how’).

3. Browser incompatibilities and the evil that is IE. No need to say more.

Nice to read that these things which make me furious make most other people just as irritated!

posted at 07:09 am on February 14, 2006 by Nancy Williams

5 Bandwagon's

There are millions of sky channels on my television, doesn’t mean i’m going to go and buy a DV Camera and record my own brand of crap. So why do amateurs feel the need to be web designers.

Don’t get me started on the whole table v css layout debate, if I had an AK-47, that would end the argument right there, or you can just accept that there is no argument.

posted at 07:34 am on February 14, 2006 by Nick Toye

6 4 things I hate

1. The all Flash singing & dancing website: completely opposed to the fundamental nature of the web, therefore obsolete by default.

2. The crudeness of HTMLCSS: I keep getting flashbacks to 1988 when I learned to set type on a Laser Photo Typesetting System.

3. Total lack of typographic control in HTMLCSS: don’t even get me started on this one.

4. Browser wars / browser incompatiblities.

posted at 07:40 am on February 14, 2006 by Dirk Sabbe

7 Flame wars suck

Flame wars suck.

There have been instances where whole communities have been torn apart because of flame wars.

Research shows that we’re crap at understanding important nuances of communication.

It’s clear that smilies are incapable of this job.

Surely there’s someway of generating the necessary emotional feedback?

posted at 07:41 am on February 14, 2006 by Ben Stephens

8 The hatred

Internet Explorer 6 (For holding back the web)

Internet Explorer 7 (For promising to hold back the web for the next five years)

posted at 07:58 am on February 14, 2006 by Srđan Prodanović

9 "Web 2.0"

Mr. Aitken’s comments are a breath of fresh air! While I appreciate much of what (now) falls under the umbrella of “Web 2.0”, the term bothers me. The internet is a living, breathing animal; not a quantifiable machine. One cannot label a site or an application as 1.0 or 2.0. There is no black and white. There are trends but there are no versions!

posted at 08:02 am on February 14, 2006 by Eoghan McCabe

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Frederikke Jensen: “I just hate when the text and menus keep expanding to the right when you are on a large monitor—the text is so hard to read.”

I haven’t tried it but maybe a user stylesheet could set the html/body width to a smaller size for you. Or just reduce the width of the browser window. Install a program like Sizer ( www.brianapps.net ) to give you a set window size and position.

Michelle O’Reilly: “Clicking on a link which is actually a link to a PDF file—and I have not been warned or told anywhere on the page!”

I try to show an icon for the main file types after each link on our work website. But on plain links, all you have to do is hover over them and the address appears at the bottom in the browser. (In Opera, make sure the status toolbar is turned on.) So you will know if the link is a PDF or not. Simple!

Things I dislike:

  • lists not marked up as lists. A lot of the text in this ALA article falls into this category!
  • spelingk mistikes and tyypos.
  • language errors. The one that gets me foaming at the mouth is when people mix up “lose” and “loose”. I see it all the time! It’s not as if the words even sound the same. I’ve even seen it in magazines. I’m thinking now that the English language has been permanently changed. For the worse.
  • browser inconsistencies. Musicians don’t have to remix their songs to work with multiple versions of music playing devices. Nor do painters have to repaint their pictures to fit different frame sizes. I guess it’s the price we pay for the dynamic nature of the web.
  • Microsoft’s browsers
  • Netscape’s browsers
  • Endless browser bugs
  • Flash sites where you press the back button and lose all the steps you just took to get to a piece of information.
  • Poor typography on the web.
  • Poor layout possibilities with current HTML and CSS. It’s a nightmare to code a decent, yet simple, multi-column layout, unlike in a desktop graphic design program.

posted at 08:45 am on February 14, 2006 by Chris Hester

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