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1 list-style-image?

I’m a little confused… Why not just use list-style-image on “ul” and a different list-style-image on “ul ul”?

posted at 06:23 am on March 30, 2005 by Peter Cooper Jr.

2 Simple, but why no :hover

This technique is simple enough, but why not take advantage of a:hover and give the user more feedback?

I did this here http://greenwoodresources.com/ for the main menu when list-style-image wouldn’t react to a user action.

posted at 07:14 am on March 30, 2005 by Jim

3 re: list-style-image

Peter, that’s because IE doesn’t support it. You know how it is.

posted at 07:27 am on March 30, 2005 by Rob Mientjes

4 Good ideas

See, this is exactly why I like ALA. The discussions always bring forth good ideas. Thanks for the tips, Peter and Jim.

posted at 07:29 am on March 30, 2005 by Kim Siever

5 re: list-style-image

Is that IE 5 or 5.5? Cause the w3schools try-it works on IE6. I would have thought bolting the two together so you have list-style-image for all the li’s and then direct style the ul’s would work and be a bit cleaner?

posted at 07:41 am on March 30, 2005 by Rob Waring

6 re: list-style-image

That’s pretty silly. Someone assured me it didn’t work, and as I never really want to fire up IE, I couldn’t test it either.

Well, then I’ll say “Nice one, Peter”.

posted at 07:44 am on March 30, 2005 by Rob Mientjes

7 Metaphors and User Expectations

We’ve looked at something similar, but found the Windows-style folder view metaphor to be a problem — users became quite annoyed that they could not open and close the folders, and the content team (not comprised of web designers) complained bitterly that they could not drag the files/folders to the trash or rearrange them.

I’ll try the technique, though…

posted at 07:59 am on March 30, 2005 by Miriam Frost Jungwirth

8 List Semantics

I’m sorry to have such a basic question, but I’ve never seen something before or considered it.

What is the rational for placing a ul element inside a li element? I’ve always had them nested inside other uls. Just curious. Any links to discussion on this convention?

posted at 08:00 am on March 30, 2005 by GC

9 Re: Metaphors and User Expectations

Interesting findings, Miriam. I wonder if others have experienced this as well. I would be interested to know if this is something widespread.

posted at 08:03 am on March 30, 2005 by Kim Siever

10 re: List Semantics

GC, see this http://zvon.org/xxl/xhtmlBasicReference/Output/el_ul.html

In valid xhtml, an <li> must be closed with </li>
The only child of an OL or UL is LI, so a UL can’t be a child of a UL, but it can be a child’s child (therefore <ul><li><ul>…).

posted at 08:10 am on March 30, 2005 by Jim

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