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Discuss: Separation: The Web Designer’s Dilemma

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71 It's like this:

XML -> XSLT -> [XHTML, CSS, JavaScript]

XHTML, CSS, and Javascript form a unified whole.

posted at 07:38 pm on May 23, 2004 by Dante

72 Foozewable!!

Some responses where quite repetitive of what others actually said already, perhaps reading the article would have been appropriate for those of you.

Otherwise this article was a great introduction (even if it was 5 months old) and for those who didn’t seem to realise soon enough should have given it some thought, as Michael has said already that he never did have the answers to this dilemma and I personally don’t think anyone ever will for a while to come.

There were a few points I came across that I do have remarks to but I don’t have any intentions of making this post add to the ever-growing amount of responses already here, nonetheless I accept that there are methods that ‘attempt’ to do what this article is trying to explain. Although I do believe that content was never meant to be without structure. Its simply there to stay that way. :D

posted at 11:02 pm on May 25, 2004 by Xelion

73 Separation is a must

Separation is a must. Separation of private and work stuff, but even in website’s is it more than usefull!

posted at 05:25 pm on May 26, 2004 by The Lizzzard

74 PHP to help the separation

The lumping together of structure and content kind of struck a bad chord for me, which is why I chose to create my site using PHP. If you look behind the scenes, you will find that all of the page text comes from include files. In here, the creation of an entire entry is simplified down to a string array for settings and then the actual text. I can’t really explain it properly, and I’ll probably find a better way to do it eventually (perhaps even database driven as you pointed out in your article), but I understand what the dilemma is here.

posted at 07:57 pm on May 27, 2004 by Kaleb Grace

75 Separation Model

This reminds me a little of the separation model I often advocate for database development projects. The real irony of this article seems to be that it is supposed to be about content and structure, but it seems lacking in both areas.

posted at 07:34 am on July 16, 2004 by Paul

76 textpattern

“Many content management systems provide varying levels of this kind of template support. However, full-featured template systems that make CSS Zen Garden-like usage of stylesheets — especially ones that come with a comprehensive content management system — are few and far between.”

Whilst not as powerful as matrix systems cms, I am surprised that no one has mentioned Dean Allen’s [url=“http://www.textpattern.com”]texpattern[/url] (though someone did mention

Its free, uses php, produces valid xhtml and uses CSSp.

posted at 08:10 am on July 22, 2004 by Loz

77 Mmm...

Very useful article

posted at 04:18 pm on July 30, 2004 by Fred

78 Haha....You think that confusing *raise eyebrows*

If you though that was confusing, you should see when I put out an article on my site, zachblog.com

It about the seperation of behavior and CSS, from…everything else. If CSS is supposed to be used for styling only, and not for behavior, what about behavioral style, ala the :hover phesudo element. It styles a behavior, usually used in javascript(onmouseover). So I think thats where it gets REAL sticky…I’m sure someone else has wrote about this, but I’m going to post out my views anyways(NayNay-NayNay-NayNay)

:P

posted at 08:44 am on August 13, 2004 by Zachary Blume

79 Just saw Ryan Brills new post about xBlogLite

Changed it to TypeSpace(.org)

Wonder how hes going to do that

posted at 08:46 am on August 13, 2004 by Zachary Blume

80 good

Thanks for the article… Im new to CSS, XML and stuff, i found the article really helpfulll.. Very well written. :-)

posted at 09:50 pm on August 15, 2004 by Rolex Replica

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