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I have to say I’m quite looking forward to getting to grips with HTML 5. It looks like the next logical step and I think with a bit of time to learning it it will be really good to use. Especially the form validation options!

The html 5 gallery examples were quite good as well. I always find it useful to see working examples.

Great article as always!

posted at 09:33 am on September 1, 2009 by tbathgate

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Being a webdesigner for more than 10 years now, I studied the HTML5 spec intensivly over the past year. And I followed the discussion on the WHATWG list. I played with it a bit and I have come to the conclusion that I hate it.
The spec is bloated, inconsistent and it adds possibilities to HTML that break the rule that HTML is for markup only.
After some discussions, the WHATWG list itself admitted to me that HTML is nothing more than a hooking language (for styles and scripting).
Nothing added to HTML5 cannot be done with the existing HTML with or without some scripting. It adds next to nothing in terms of accessibility.

Do not forget that HTML5 started out as WebApplications. And that is what it seems to be, yet another addition to web development, and NOT web design. Why? Isn’t ruby, ajax, flash, etc. etc. enough? Again, I have yet to see anything in HTML5 that cannot be done with any of the above.

For the first time ever, I am glad IE8 doesn’t include any HTML5 (AFAIK). So, it will be a while until it becomes the standard.
And before then, I hope someone will have invented a better way of creating websites.
We will just have to play the cards we are dealt I guess, but I don’t have to like it.

posted at 09:49 am on September 1, 2009 by LPent

3 Recommending XHTML5 over HTML5

I think you need to be a little clearer when recommending people use XHTML5. I didn’t see any mention of the fact Internet Explorer does not support proper XHTML 1.0 let alone XHTML5 (or HTML5).

Also your reasons for using XHTML5 over HTML5 are fairly weak. There’s nothing stopping designers/developers from creating well formed, well considered HTML5 and certainly no need to “think” about it any more than when creating XHTML5.

posted at 10:00 am on September 1, 2009 by RyanRoberts

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Cool stuff, but none of the examples on the page work. I think you might be missing a js file to define the show_ok(), displayData(), etc functions.

posted at 10:39 am on September 1, 2009 by bbeaudreault

5 Long wait...

There has been much talk about HTML 5. I am looking forward to try it now. Thanks for the brilliant article.

posted at 10:57 am on September 1, 2009 by Maneet Puri

6 XHTML & MIME Type

Serving XHTML up with the proper MIME type is really a futile effort, especially when you’re in a multi-user development environment (or heaven forbid you have a content management system).

In these two situations having your pages validate 100% of the time just isn’t feasible and when Firefox gives you the ‘yellow screen of death’ it doesn’t help your end-users very much.

It is possible to serve XHTML to IE using XML as seen here – http://www.nealgrosskopf.com/tech/thread.php?pid=1

posted at 11:13 am on September 1, 2009 by Neal G

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HTML 5 has become my new standard and favorite language very fast, but I still did not know everything about it—for example the new attributes of the input element which seem quite interesting. And as you said, the canvas enables some great possibilities even though IE cannot display it. I will have a closer look at it. Thanks for this article!

posted at 11:28 am on September 1, 2009 by patrick_l

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Cool stuff, but none of the examples on the page work. I think you might be missing a js file to define the show_ok(), displayData(), etc functions.

The problem has been fixed. Thanks!

posted at 11:55 am on September 1, 2009 by Jeffrey Zeldman

9 Great Article

Hi, I just found this page – and -> i love it.
The articles are great I really enjoy reading.

Keep on doin a great job!

posted at 01:43 pm on September 1, 2009 by Janosh

10 canvas and Internet Explorer

the canvas enables some great possibilities even though IE cannot display it.

There may be a solution for you at explorercanvas ; I haven’t experimented with it.

posted at 04:04 pm on September 1, 2009 by J. David Eisenberg

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