A LIST Apart: For People Who Make Websites

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Discuss: Beyond DOCTYPE: Web Standards, Forward Compatibility, and IE8

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251 standarts

From what I can see, this is actually a good idea. If you’re a browser vendor, and you don’t want to support this… well, don’t. No one’s forcing you to. Microsoft is just giving developers a way to say, “This page works with IE7. If you can, make it work like IE7 did.�

Saying “everyone should just follow the standards� is good and nice—except that the standards are very complex, sometimes ambiguous, and occasionally internally inconsistent. Just like C++ code, standards are written by people and can have bugs.

Also… IE isn’t the only browser that changes behavior across versions. Firefox 3 passes acid2 whereas FF2 doesn’t—obviously, the two versions mean something slightly different when they say they’re standards-compliant. Even in the “equal� world of standards-compliant browsers, some browsers are more equal than others.

As someone who builds intranet-style web applications (that work cross-browser, thank you very much ;-) I’d love to be able to pin my app down and say “This works with IE7 and Firefox 2 and Safari 3. Browsers, if you can act like any of those, you’ll deliver a good experience to my users.�

And I know it’s a good idea to test your web work with every browser you’ll want to support. Are you sure you’ll be in your current job, ready to do that, forever? Are you sure you’ll be able to spare the time to do that testing before users get new browsers?

posted at 01:46 pm on August 12, 2008 by Ruslan Katronov

252 When we move past IE8? - A question about the futu

From what I’ve read (and this isn’t a great deal) this sounds like a good idea and even if only adopted by IE it’ll at least alleviate some headaches.

But I do have a question about how, as time moves on, older versions of browsers implementing this strategy will handle content targeted at later versions i.e. what will IE-8’s approach be when it encounters content targeted at IE-10:

I’d assume that in this situation it’ll adopt an ‘I’ll try my best to render’ rather than a ‘this page cannot be displayed as I’m not included’ approach.

I’d be interested to know what is intended as without this I think there may be issues when accounting for the fact that not all end users adopt new browser updates / versions either quickly or consistently.

posted at 01:03 pm on October 3, 2008 by Liam Prescott

253 Browser targeting

I definitely agree with Aaron, targeting a browser version using a meta tag is a great solution to a great problem, it’s simple, practical and at the same time elegant. I think browser targeting will leave its mark in Internet history, from this moment on it will be easy to completely understand (content + visualization + behavior) targeted web pages. Previous web pages will always require some archeological effort in order to be understood. My company, Artinsoft (www.artinsoft.com), has been developing tools to increase web sites’ code general quality and standards compliance (www.aggiorno.com). One of our tools, the IE8 Compatibility Wizard, automates the compatibility meta tag insertion task. I am confident that this tool can help several members of your audience and I sympathetically invite you to visit our web site and try our products.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
César Muñoz
www.aggiorno.com
www.artinsoft.com

posted at 06:59 pm on January 9, 2009 by Cesar Munoz

254 code is code is code

Personally, I have to rewrite my sites at least every 3 to 4 years, often parts of some sites and some pages weekly (I want this new logo, I don’t like that color any more:-) ) As long as it is paid for I have no complaint.
SO, I don’t understand the argument about future/backward compatible pages. I want customers to update their material, and since I use includes I just change one file; update – reload and the site is all done! and I can go back to shoveling snow.
I would like for browsers to be standards compliant, I though that was the whole point of having standards in the first place. I think you guys (those who see this as a way out) have just been beat down by the Standards Compliant” struggle and the “meta-code” snippet is an easy way out. The last time I looked (last week?) the IEs were down at 37% and dropping and FF was at at 45% and rising. I look forward to Standards Compliance growing and the continued growth of standards compliant browsers.

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posted at 07:37 am on February 19, 2009 by Vilppu Tilli

255 What about Javascript

This is indeed a nice approach if your application is huge and you want to make it compatible with new version of IE i.e. IE8.
I am using this with my web application, but I am facing some problem. When I try to open a lightbox that time the window of lightbox is not getting compatible with IE8.I guess the issue is with javascript.So I am not getting how should I make my layout(which is build with javascript at runtime) compatible with IE8. what could be the solution??

posted at 06:05 am on August 5, 2009 by shruti_hj

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