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Discuss: Findings From the Web Design Survey

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21 Bias results are biased

If you’re white, male, and 33-38 and whatever changes are that you’re not going to perceive any career bias at all. Results for this category need to be generated from participants outside of the norm.

posted at 10:52 am on October 17, 2007 by Leo Nutley

22 Bias Results are Biased (Grammar and shpelling cor

If you’re white, male, and 33-38 or whatever, changes are that you’re not going to perceive any career bias at all. Results for this category need to be generated from participants outside of the norm.

posted at 10:55 am on October 17, 2007 by Leo Nutley

23 Nevermind

Found it.

posted at 10:59 am on October 17, 2007 by Leo Nutley

24 Perception differs from reality?

This is hugely interesting and I know I’ll be digging around in it for a while.

I think for me, the most interesting parts are around the perceived bias’ information and whether what people think is happening around them actually matches what actually IS happening.

Kudos for the data.

posted at 11:06 am on October 17, 2007 by Frances Berriman

25 Bias towards Front end developers

I am a front-end designer, developer myself but even I feel that there is a bias towards front-end practices for the categories. Whether this is intentional or not I don’t know. Languages like CSS, Javascript and HTML all had their own category while Server side language where all lumped in together, I would have like to have know the specific stats on languages such as PHP and Ruby from this survey. The categories for job title seem similarly bias towards Front-end skills.

Great work other than that guys it must have taken long hours when you’d rather be doing something else. For that I thank you and look forward to the findings next year.

posted at 11:07 am on October 17, 2007 by Steve Killen

26 Good and bad

The good: great design on the PDF! Love the fonts and colours.

The bad: some of the horizontal bar charts don’t quite line up at the right. (See pages 47 and 48 for examples.) Plus the gaps between bars aren’t equal on pages like 61. It seems to be the charts that use 3 coloured bars that are causing problems. Probably a PDF conversion thing?

I am using Adobe Acrobat Professional 8 on a Mac to view the file if that helps.

Hey, sorry to nitpick! I realise you guys have put a lot of hardwork into this. I’m sure it’ll prove very useful!

posted at 11:55 am on October 17, 2007 by Chris Hester

27 Wow!

This confirms what I have always felt – there is plenty of opportunity for women in this field who seek change and a flexible career. In the over 39 age bracket, women earn more than their male counterparts (where else does that happen?). Design and development might take a good bit of re-education in this age bracket (the education never ends for me) but it is so worth it. With all of the wonderful resources available on the internet and with such open access industry leaders via blogs, podcasts and tutorials, my sincere hope is to see more women enter the field in years to come.

posted at 12:08 pm on October 17, 2007 by Stephanie Martinez

28 Additional Salary/Compensation Break out

Your servey questions should address total compensation. While I received a salary increase at my last review, medical insurance increases and plan changes decreased my overall compensation.

posted at 01:57 pm on October 17, 2007 by Paul Smith

29 Slightly unsettling?

I tell you what, I knew that, as a female in this industry, I was in the “low end of the diversity spectrum”. But when I saw this, I was shocked. And what surprised me even more was that I must be some really unique woman in this industry, because most of my answers (not all – but most of them) fell in the low percentage range.

I know this survey isn’t the end-all on the subject, but it’s the first time my eyes have been opened to my status in this industry. It’s a little bit unsettling. It has given me quite a bit of food for thought – it brings the question to mind: because of my unique status (as it stands based on these results) does it give me a step up in the industry, or is it really holding me back?

No, I don’t plan to use the first-time survey to figure out what to do for the rest of my career (which, based on my age should be shorter than the rest of you youngsters – however, I have a TON of longevity compared to the rest of you, as well – so I guess it evens out!) because I adore what I do. But damn, maybe I need to get a job at a corporation so I can rake in some of that dough.

Nah – I hate bosses. They piss me off too much. I’d get fired in a week.

But anyway, I do appreciate the effort here. I really had absolutely no idea that someone like me was so far in the minority (in all kinds of ways!) – it really is shocking. Someone else who participated in the survey (and let me know the results were up) had mentioned that perhaps making a clear stance on defining the job titles/professions might be a good idea, as women will more think of themselves as a “graphic designer” than a “web designer” (I, for one, do not.) But I do know I found some of the questions a little weird, and answered them the best I could – but yeah, it would have been nice to at least been able to have multiple answers for some questions. For example, my main job focus isn’t just as a web designer. I do it all – design, graphics, code, development, accounting, customer service – ALL of it. It was really hard to pick just one answer.

Anyway – sorry for the novel, but it was great, and it did open my eyes a bit – kinda popped my little bubble here. I think I need to start attending some conferences. There’s obviously way too much testosterone at those things. ;)

posted at 02:22 pm on October 17, 2007 by Shelly Cole

30 no sampling methodology

There are a lot of potentially interesting numbers here but there’s no account given of the sampling methodology. How were these 33,000 people selected? How can we know whether they’re representative of the population the study purports to describe? What was the response rate on the survey? Was it conducted on-line or by mail? What potential biases could have been created by the sampling technique and response/non-response rates?

posted at 02:34 pm on October 17, 2007 by Derick Fay

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